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What to do about the headline slot on showcase nights: the debate continues.

As some of you know, since March 2008 I have been promoting gigs inspired by connections I have made through the RTYD social network. In the process I have stumbled on a big issue that surrounds the headline slot at showcase gigs. The main problem being that bands comprising musicians of a mature age, more often than not, don’t want to go on at 10:30pm or later.
Once upon a time, playing at this time was not a problem. But back then we were all younger and could drink more on less sleep.

At a ‘showcase’ gig - i.e. 4 bands on the bill, 30 minute sets, kick off 8:30, 15 mins between acts - the last band goes on at 10:45. By this time of the night some of the older crowd are half-cut, tired of waiting and worried about getting up the next day for work or child-care etc; as are their traveling fans, who are also worried about getting home by public transport and/or relieving their babysitters (see my previous blog on this subject).

Mature bands don’t care about the prestige of headlining. They care about playing at the peak of the evening and getting an early night.

These problems mostly only really apply to ‘showcase’ gigs at venues such as the Dublin Castle in London, where there is a full PA, where 4 bands want to sound-check, and where there is a promoter, under whom one is sub-promoting, who it is worth impressing by getting numbers through the door. This helps getting further gigs, hopefully on better nights.

And let’s face it, we all want better nights and numbers through the door; none of us want to play to a near-empty house on a Wednesday night.

So what’s the remedy?
Here are a few of mine. I welcome your thoughts.

1) Put on the same amount of acts, but start earlier, eg: start at 8pm, 30 minute sets, 15 mins between acts, last band goes on at 10:15, Soundcheck 6:30pm
Is this long enough to soundcheck 4 bands?
Is a 30 minute set long enough?


2) Soundcheck the first band that arrives in full with all their equipment, and the rest go on without a soundcheck. This would mean the evening could start MUCH sooner, say 7:00 or 7:30.
Wouldn’t that be cool?

3) Bands play in the order that they arrive in full. So the last to arrive is the last to play.
This would encourage bands to get to the gig sooner. And the evening to end earlier.

4) Put on less acts and finish earlier. For instance: 3 bands, up to 45 minute sets, 8/9/10pm. Soundcheck 6:30pm
Will this bring enough people through the door?

5) Have a younger band take the headline slot.

6) Have another form of entertainment. A comedian. A speaker. Run a seminar. Have the DJ play music by RTYD related bands over the PA and have a Jukebox Jury-style panel critique the music of RTYD associated bands

7) Avoid showcase nights altogether.
But…these are prestigious venues that raise the profiles of both the bands and RTYD.

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1) Early soundchecks may be near impossible for bands with day jobs
2) No soundcheck would cause more problems than it solves
3)This is upside-down, a headline band usually sets up and sound-checks first
4) Best idea so far, never been a fan of trying to put on as much as possible in one evening both as a punter and a muso, but of course this is just my personal view. On a practical level you have the same problem at both ends of the night. starting at 7.00 or 7.30 as mentioned in 2) would be difficult for a mature audience with child-care and employment considerations.
5) Depends who they are, ie are they well known nationaly or even locally (to the venue), will they be acceptable to mature punters although they may bring their own audience. If not you've defeated the original object of RTYD
6) Might work. DJ is fairly obvious. Comedian (Bill Bailey type?) would handy between bands. Run small guitar/drum clinic prior to bands (Many of the audience are probably musos) Mix duos, solos with bands (maybe acoustic?)Juke-box Jury? Crikey! Some may not be as old as you and me mate!!! Besides it would probably be a faff.
7) Get one band to host/headline with their PA/lights etc with invited bands/artistes they are aquainted with at a less prestigous venue.
Conclusion.........Quality over quantity, more options on type of artiste, 2 bands max done and dusted, soundchecked, fed, watered, all relaxed and smiley and playing longer sets giving them a better representation of their undoubted quality

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Personally, I think option 2 is good. Soundcheck first band only and have a 7.30 start. I reckon most bands have a natural feeling for their sound levels and only need a bit of tweeking in the first number.
Alternatively provide bunk beds and sleeping bags for fans of the last band. Bit like the blitz.
During the war........................

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Hi Toby

Re. your point 2: As you know, we're fairly keen on not spending all night hanging around waiting for sound checks; if the basic set-up works for the room, we'll live with that. Having said that, we also favour fewer acts as I'm getting less and less keen on schlepping across town for a measly half-hour set which we're not getting paid for. Let's do some two-banders and see what happens.

BTW, and perhaps more important, have you heard about the Halfmoon in Putney closing at the end of Feb? What can we do to help?

Have a brill new year everyone.

XX P

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