The older I get the better I play. The fact is it takes time to play and instrument with confidence and ability. Its a craft. What I love about music is that I can never stop learning new things. And we all get into that rutt of oh man I sound crap Im playing the same stuff over and over. I've asked other players older than me they feel this too. In todays hi tech world everyone wants things immediately and the value of sustained effort is lost. The fame game is all about appearance. If you look hot in your vid the record will sell. Music doesnt seem to have the same magic and allure it did when I was a teen. Im sure many of you can remember fighting over the family stereo to listen to some vinyl. Image is everything and the music is secondary these days.

There was a kind of ritual to playing vinyl taking it out the sleeve cleaning it be careful not to scratch it. I would stare at the cover throughout the whole album and read every word. Listening to music was done with love and consideration. I know there are DJs now but its all so throw away. I remember how we would boast of the size of our collections of records. When you look at footage of bands from the 60s & 70s they all look so geeky. Maybe they looked hip for their time?? But it wasnt so much the image that was important. It was the music and the message that music delivered.

Im so glad Im not a teenager now. When I was in my teens you belonged,were defined by the music you were into. You were a punk or skinhead or mod or head banger. Now its all about fame and money. I see these so called reality shows where people line up to be manufactured and molded into a marketing ploy. to have a business plan like your own perfume or clothing brand. Where is the soul in that?

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know where your coming from, i am a lot older than you and have been there and back again ,i did a very trendy upmarket wedding last summer and almost all the music was current and the favoured first dance was paolo nutini i am a 57yo fat bloke but brilliant vocalist guitarist and 100% confident that i was better than the original or indeed anyone at performing that song for that young couple ,and if i didnt honestly believe that i couldnt do it ,the anxiety before a show seems to never leave but once you hit that stage its a high .i remember starting out and sitting in the van on the way to gigs absolutly terrified and going home on a high which was part relief that it was over. it was much harder as a young bloke for me.but its diferent for us all.
If it's this... http://direct.asda.com/Rock-N-Roll-Guitar/000755154,default,pd.html ... then I think not. OK, so it may make a few guitar-like noises, but I can't see how it could produce real music.
With a lot of help from multiple effects pedals. Although I have to say that its noises are not remotely guitarlike imnsho. Okay, it's a completely different instrument that only LOOKS like a guitar, but it provides a variable signal that can be modulated and played with. It may not be what we normally think of but it's (sort of) music and, once we can play with the signal, we have a viable instrument.
There is apparently bands consisting of guitar hero instruments to be expected I suppose. Possibly not a bad thing in itself if it isnt used as a marketing ploy. We're digressing slightly away from the original subject of this discussion. Namely, that music has lost its importance today. I didnt want to go there but, confirmation of this is glaringly evident in stuff like the X factor. Im astonished by the way the contestants are so willing to be manufactured into celebrities. The most important part of winning this show or even being on it is the celebrity status that goes with it. If you're original or have your own sound or something to say youre not going to get on it are you? Enough said about thses types of shows or better still start a new discussion about X faktor and its ilk just don't get me started here.

The same thing was probably said about synthesizers too. Making music is far easier today than it was 20,30,40 years ago. Punk Rock was for me a door into musicianship. I studied by myself with friends, played in bands, jammed etc. but for me music has always held that fascination to learn more about it. I dont think its the same for kids of today. Although here's an annecdote which may show us the light at the end of this dark tunnel and hopefully prove me wrong.

I was in the Realistic Rock music shop not so long ago. The shop also runs a rock academy by the same name. The place was teaming with kids about 10 years old. Not being to tall myself I felt like Goliath in there. The proprietor was at his wits end telling the kids not to touch the guitars. They were into everything, totally fascinated by a tray of plectrums. One little girl there had a half size pink strat over her shoulder. It got me thinking at least these kids are getting some encouragement from their parents. And also I think in 10 years time some of these kids are going to be damn fine musicians too. So I think the future looks pretty exciting music wise. We have a generation of kids who have it all at their finger tips. Theres proof on you tube with scores of vids of someones kid sherdding like Satriani or chicken picken like Greg Koch. There will always be those kids who will find the same fascination as we all have with music in our youth. And some might have the motivation to stand up and make a stand against the drivel that is churned out by the mass media. The net is also a way young artists can control their output and reach wider audiences. I think its harder now though with so much choice and so many other distractions for music to hold the attention for longer than it takes to down load the latest blackeyed peas latest single. But for those it does ..... life got alot easier.
this is the miserable gits forum.over 40 posts moaning about the youth of today grabbing at any chance to say how crap things are today.its exactly the same as it was for every generation appart from the fact that we are now the old gits.are you saying billy fury cliff the beatles monkees and just about all the big acts were not manufactured .
Hi I think u just have to get on with which isn't easy sometimes, my son is 23 even he is having troubles he's after that elusive deal, Oh to still have those aspirations. 

dave said:
this is the miserable gits forum.over 40 posts moaning about the youth of today grabbing at any chance to say how crap things are today.its exactly the same as it was for every generation appart from the fact that we are now the old gits.are you saying billy fury cliff the beatles monkees and just about all the big acts were not manufactured .

Hi My son and I where down to  a live and unsigned Audition last week in Edinburgh we live in Aberdeen, to my sons amazement and mine to he didn't get through despite being told at the Audition that was fantastic Shaun by a judge and invited to attend again the following week in Glasgow, I explained it's a numbers game and went on to say they need to sell tickets we live 130 miles away, while someone in the locality could muster far more ticket sales relatives freinds, friends of friends etc, that just might have someghing to do with it, or maybe thats just me being cynical or maybe not! 

all the best Jake  

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   I have to agree. Its all about perception. Every generation perceives itself as being on the cutting edge. And the previous grumbles 'rubbish"!

      Having said that, when I'm flipping through the radio stations, I cant help but say,' God, what crap!" BUT, I think whats different about today is, the kids aren't listening to the radio. They're getting their music from different sources.

      If you dig around and ask around you find some great stuff. Here in the U.S. there's been a lot of interest in old north Mississippi blues, and also blue grass. The kids take it and put a new spin on it. Comes out great. There's also alternative music that you just dont find if you don't know where to look. Allot of its underground, just like the old days, except now they have computers, instead of John Peel.

dave said:

this is the miserable gits forum.over 40 posts moaning about the youth of today grabbing at any chance to say how crap things are today.its exactly the same as it was for every generation appart from the fact that we are now the old gits.are you saying billy fury cliff the beatles monkees and just about all the big acts were not manufactured .

Enough already!

In a nutshell.....

Some aspects of the music industry are better today, some aren't.

Some aspects were better in our day and some weren't.

Now can we change the fuckin' record....or should that be CD.....or MP3.....or Wav file....AAARRGHH!

(I'm off to watch re-runs of rockschool)

 

As someone once wrote "if music be the food of love, then play on", perhaps adapted a little later to "party on dudes".  Whatever.  The thing is just enjoy playing and enjoy listening.  There is no one style of music, no one band make up.  At least in Guildford there are many young and old listening and playing.  Even the buskers in the high street on a Saturday cover several generations.  And the last time I saw Deep Purple, most of the audience were not born when Machine Head came out, but they still knew all the words to the songs and sang them.

 

Let's all support each other and pass the magic of music down the generations, before I get old.

Younger Generation ... Fuck 'em if they don't have the the marbles to concentrate for more than a millisecond ... their loss ... tossers!

 

Anyhoo, there are a lot more attention grabbers for them these days than there were for us, computer games, dvd's, internet, happy slapping (hang on a minute ... our generations did that but we called it bullying), raising children, going to the VD clinic. You get the drift though, also half of the cunts can't read so what is the point of giving them a sleeve with lots of words on it to study, let alone putting any meaning into popular tunes lyrics. Doh!!!

 

Civilisations come and go ... why should ours be any different?

 

ps. I don't care what THEY do ... it's what I do that interests me ... Fuck 'em.

I fear that is your loss Timothy, not theirs. I for one am very glad that the yoof of today is out there making music, and I think a lot of it is great. Listening to new sounds from kids who are nearly young enough to be my grandchildren keeps my mind young, active and open. I've used MyFace and BookSpace to track down all kinds of niche musicians around the world, and the music I make has benefited as a result. I refuse to get stuck in a time-warp rut of pomp-rock, big hair and gatefold sleeves.

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